Re: [Jack-Devel] [Bulk] Re: JACK on mobile
On October 21, 2013 11:42:53 PM Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> On Mon, October 21, 2013 10:57 pm, [hidden] wrote:
> >> On 10/20/2013 03:02 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Tim E. Real <[hidden]
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:[hidden]>> wrote:
> >>> LOL The phone accidentally rings during a live gig through an amp
> >>>
> >>> stack.
> >>>
> >>> "Uh, hello? Yes dear, I'll bring home some milk and bread!"
> >>>
> >>> they still pay musicians enough for that?
> >>
> >> obviously, the spouse calls to remind the artist to pilfer those items
> >> from catering. it's just a euphemism for "stale coke and mars bars".
> >
> > JACK on mobile - mobile must not necessarily be a phone. It could be any
> > small & mobile (embedded?) device. The thing with the phone is just that
> > many have it at hand.
> > One of the use-cases where JACK could make sense on mobile devices is to
> > have a way to monitor audio anywhere in the graph remotely with low
> > latency. That would include a nicely working netjack or similar setup.
> > JACK just on the phone without any outside connections is not so
> > interesting IMHO.
> > The mobile is also a handy controller for anything on the 'big' machines,
> > but for that, no JACK is used.
>
> Ok, so the consensus appears to be that JACK developers have no interest
> in seeing JACK actually run on mobile OS's (phone/tablet/etc...) and that
> it is considered a waste of time to put any effort into making it
> possible?
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Should I go back to the people who have opened the door to JACK as a
> default component of the Mobile Audio Stack (excluding Android and iOS)
> and tell them that?
>
> Should I tell the people at the Linux Foundation that even if they are
> interested in supporting the development process that none of the JACK
> Developers are interested in taking part?
>
> Are we therefore expecting users who want to run JACK apps or developers
> who want to develop JACK apps to only run desktop systems or Linux
> embedded systems on devices like the Raspberry PI and that developers
> should simply ignore the absolutely massive global mobile market place?
>
> In other words if someone wants to run JACK on a mobile device they are on
> there own and will not garner any interest from JACK Developers?
>
> The over all consensus is that JACK is not useful or even needed on mobile
> devices. For example if I were to get it running on my Quad core ARM
> tablet with 2GB of onboard RAM, built in SD and onboard sound device it
> would be a futile and pointless waste of time because those kind of
> resources have no value in a JACK'd system? Or that running JACK on a
> brand new Intel Haswell (16nm die) tablet made by Samsung running Tizen
> (sponsored by the Linux Foundation) is going to be a waste of time
> because, because, because... um , well because someones girlfriend might
> call them while they are performing and obviously we wouldn't think of
> making it possible for this performer to disable calls while they are
> using their high powered Ubuntu Phone as a realtime FX box or god forbid
> they have a tablet that doesn't even have GSM capabilities in the first
> place and can't be used as a cellphone?
>
> Is that the correct assessment of interest from JACK developers in getting
> JACK to run on Mobile platforms that already support PA by default?
>
> I smell a big whiff os BS in the air. Either that or JACK developers are
> complete idiots and have no idea what they are doing. I was under the
> impression that it was not the latter but maybe I am actually wrong about
> that.
>
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> --
> Patrick Shirkey
> Boost Hardware Ltd
Aw Jeez, c'mon guys.
Sorry Patrick if my light-hearted comment may be perceived as a slight
or dismissal which detracts from the seriousness of the situation.
You're just trying to get things done to move forward.
It's a worthy goal. If anyone can help, if anything can be done here,
I hope some effort can be put into this.
Tim.
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