Re: [Jack-Devel] [andraudio] Google I/O: High performance audio talk

Just two quick question Pat, please!

1 - Are you a lawyer? I'm not.

2 - If the answer to 1 is no, have you spoken to one about your issue with
Google?

Thank you!


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Patrick Shirkey <
[hidden]> wrote:

>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 7:03 pm, John Emmas wrote:
> > On 25/05/2013 09:33, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> >> You are missing the point. It's not about licensing.
> >>
> >> It's about Google purposefully excluding professional audio developers
> >> and
> >> companies from the Android platform.
> >>
> >> That is not about Google loosing money. It is about them stopping us
> >> from
> >> making money off the Android platform.
> >
> > Not at all, Patrick.  It's you that's missing the point.  I have a
> > friend who writes software for tuning rally cars.  It's a much bigger
> > market than you might imagine, it's very expensive software and there's
> > a lot of money involved - but I doubt that his software will run on
> > Android.  Does that entitle him to sue Google?  Or what about all the
> > Android users in the world.  Can they all sue my friend because they
> > bought a platform that won't run his software?
> >
> > There is no legal precedent that all software must run on all
> > platforms.  Nor is there any legal precedent obliging platform owners to
> > include pro-audio features or any other features. Platform owners sink
> > or swim, according to the commercial decisions they make - but their
> > investors and their customers will ultimately decide their fate.  The
> > Linux Audio community has no authority in the matter.
> >
>
> Let me once again explain because all the responses I have had so far are
> completely missing the point.
>
> 1: Android is the most widely distributed Operating System on the planet
> with a near monopoly on the mobile device market approaching 80% of all
> devices sold.
> 3: They are purposefully excluding professional audio in particular LAD
> from running the sound servers that we have developed and choose to work
> with.
>
> That is anti competitive behaviour which could be valid all the way up to
> the EU Anti Trust Commission.
>
> Those of us who are actively developing and manufacturing and making a
> real business out of Linux Audio development could have been selling our
> products on the Android platform for the past 4 years and earning money
> from the sales however due to Googles decision making process we have been
> excluded from that not because it is not technically possible to run our
> software on the platform but because they have decided we are not allowed
> to do so.
>
> The amount of revenue that has been lost to the global professional audio
> industry because of Googles inability or willingness to solve the issues
> preventing professional audio on the Android platform is not an
> insignificant amount. It could be calculated well into the billions based
> on the number of people that are using Android devices.
>
> IMO taking them to court is a last resort but if they fail to take
> appropriate steps to fully address the issues that have been raised
> multiple times in varying ways either through direct communication or on
> the multiple internationally accessible open source mailing lists where
> their own developers are actively participating or invited to participate
> in discussions then it might be the only option to force their hand.
>
> If it is not painfully obvious I don't care what Ralph Maldorf has to say
> on any matter concerning Linux Audio Development.
>
> As other people have attempted to shoot down the points I am making I have
> continued the discussion.The topic is a serious business topic which
> directly involves the software/developers and companies targeting the
> JACK infrastructure and ecosystem.
>
> It could be argued that the slow down in traffic for discussions on this
> mailing list regarding JACK on  PC/desktop can be directly attributed to
> the growth of Android as an OS/platform and the subsequent lack of
> interest in PC based software and tools but that is another topic for
> discussion in ANOTHER location.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Shirkey
> Boost Hardware Ltd
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